My Soft Parade pressing actually sounds quite good: The Doors – The Soft Parade (1970, Terre Haute Pressing, Gatefold, Vinyl) Chrome_Head, Jun 9, 2021. The MFSL SACD I could tell immediately that it didn't hold a candle to the MFSL 2-45 issue, or I think even the MOV mono pressing. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. Alan Blumlien of EMI in the 1930’s patented analog stereo, to be first used on. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. The SHM-SACD is still a good option because it doesn't have CSG processing. psulioninks Forum Resident Thread Starter. CD has a tint. In. Vinyl. Every time. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". surround sound or multichannel sound). The SACD features the 2018 remix of the iconic 1977 Pink Floyd album for the first time, by long-time producer/engineer James Guthrie. Aug 15, 2012. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. gloomrider, Feb 20, 2014 #177. If it's a choice between vinyl and SACD in headphones, then most people with any sort of budget will almost certainly pick SACD. SACD disc and the DSD encoding (on a SACD) are a "frozen in time" tech circa 2005. Today, the world has moved on to multi-bit PCM. 49. SACD's can tend to have better mastering and transfer than standard CD releases of the same album. Quote: Originally Posted by memepool Isn't it odd then that their full sized machines like the Sony BDP-S1 support a Matsu****a format like DVD but won't play legacy Sony format's like SACD or even redbook. Tip about the 1812, the first cannon shot is the toughest of the lot to track, that one is a beastie (the Shure V 15 Type IV mounted on a SME III tonearm came closest in the day, or the Audio-Technica 440 ML). I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Fred Dender and Grampire like this. well i'd say you have to take it on a title by title basis with SACD, as with any medium source and mastering are key. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. ? I jumped into the SACD thing because I wanted agood digital source for my CDs so I said why not pay some more and get SACD. The higher resolution of the blu ray might also explain the audible tape hiss not heard on the cd. . swinger Member Thread Starter. Given the same mastering, vinyl is still better than redbook. 15 on its list of the 20 Greatest Duos of All Time. Thread: SACD Vs. I played the SACD in my Sony XA5400ES SACD. Plays in all CD and SACD players. e. SACD sounds damn nice, there are LOTS of them available and new SACD's of material that interests me continue to be released. Both formats have their own unique advantages and disadvantages, so it can be tough to decide which one is right for you. On the other hand, vinyl’s sound stage remains unbeaten, as the ClearAudio parallel arm. It is now showing as ‘in stock’ on the Acoustic Sounds. Los Angeles, CA. So, Changes CD is DR 12 and Changes SACD is DR 11. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. . . It lacks the deep bass of the Abkco pressing but sounds so much more "vivid" and real. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. I just don't have many detailed DVD-Audio discs. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. MikeT, Nov 3, 2019. SACD has a higher bit rate and uses a different encoding method from Vinyl to capture and reproduce more audio information. Technically, it's more an aesthetic choice or trying to be louder than the other band on the street. 1 layer is very good, but the SACD layer has smoother high frequencies (violins, oboe) and better transient attack (tympani). 112 posts total. That old mix was reissued on SACD by Audio Fidelity in 2015, and then it was issued again on Blu-Ray by Rhino in 2017. I've heard many great sounding redbook cd's and I've heard some horrible vinyl. These are the CDs that remastering was able to improve. SACD can get really close to how good vinyl can sound but not deteriorate so for me SACD wins. Buy both. I prefer the SACD. I don't know which is more truthful. Page 1. although DVD-Audio does sound great too. SACD vs. Every time. Recent MoFi controversy spurred me to compare sound of MoFi Vinyl to CD, SACD to CD, DSD to FLAC. e. And it was a very close match with the vinyl barely winning the battle. . I go between the US Sony SACD and the 35DP depending on mood. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. I personally wouldn't get either. Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums of All Time — rated 30/500! " Are You Experienced appeared in the U. Todd68, Jun 30, 2019. #6. The difference between 24/192 and DSD is that the DSD sounds more analog like, but this is not a huge difference in overall sound quality. This is the SACD that was recommended by Steve and it is the best I've heard so far. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Both are also 4K UHD Blu-Ray players. Two of the discs were mastered in MQA and two were SACD. Then I bought the new SACD version. #30. The band did NOT like it at all. vinyl debate ultimately comes down to personal preference and the listening experience you seek. Likewise whichever has the edge in your playback system will be superior to the. Re: Super audio cd vs dvd audio. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. . I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". In the end it really comes down to the transfer and the mastering. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. 1/96/192 has little audible effect, ever hear a 20k test tone? The whole resolution. . The Super Audio Compact Disc format was. Oh and if you like SACDs, most of the masters were made on digital audio workstations that are PCM. I only have a single SHM-SACD - it’s superior compared to every format I’ve heard the title on, including the MoFI SACD. I run through a comparison review about this subject today. Quote: Originally Posted by regal The sampling rate 44. Nantes, France. But again, I'd love to be proven wrong. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. Gooey black bag houses an extremely high quality record sleeve with postcards, posters, 320 kbps MP3 download and sturdy inner sleeve and a very nice vinyl record in a plastic sleeve. MikeT, Nov 3, 2019. I have a few titles on both vinyl, r2r, cd and SACD. the interesting part for me was the number of copies for this set. Music41 said: ↑. The curve below compares the spectra of vinyl and SACD. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. But they always compares SACD vs CD on the same player. Noone else has a date. Details;The 777ES’s performance improved gradually during a burn-in period of three weeks. 49:Personally I am fine with well mastered hi res digital. I hate the snaps clicks and pops of vinyl. But Sony is almost 4 times more. Availability: In Stock. swanlee, Dec 8, 2012. The difference between DSD and the source vinyl was very, very slight and I am not sure I could tell the difference on any given day. So here the thing, i've listen to both Vinyl's CD's and SACD's im trying to see if there's really difference. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Vinyl. Lower bitrates are used only for speech. On a CD, the separation between the left and right channels used in recording is over 90 dB. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. . Stax, SACD vs. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. It’s appalling the crap they’re releasing to kids these days…As noted in my previous post [link], the Forum didn’t want to pay the $. The discs are digitally identical and will sound exactly the same no matter what some snake oil lovers will tell you. SACD vs VINYL. More sharing options. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. Owned by CEO Chad Kassem, who founded the company in 1986, Acoustic Sounds is a global retailer of the largest selection of highest-quality music in a variety of formats. And so on. Don't want to spend a lot of money, maybe I will not like them. The vinyl is top notch too. Team Value-Fi. onlyconnect, Sep 19, 2020. I think I'll go Classic Records Vinyl at least for the first three albums, possibly "Passion" and "Us" too because those are also analog recordings also if I remember correctly. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I voted 'Who Cares. . 1:17 - Stereo CD Layer4. It plays PCM and may not do high res. Thread Tools. The 777ES does not perform at its best upon power-on. So I did. So far my favorites from each format are as follows: SACD: Eric Clapton - Journeyman DVD-A: Fleetwood Mac - Rumors DVD (Dolby Digital/DTS): Eagles. Note the word “indistinguishable. As for sound I am betting you will become a believer in the merits of vinyl. Rolling Stone ranked them No. Truth is, there aren't really any bad sounding versions of this moody gem since the first pressing back in spring 1971. With a storage capacity of 4. It's about the music you like. The album was developed from a collection of unrelated. That leaves Soft Parade which also was released by Audio Fidelity. SACD Players VS Vinyl Read More » The hybrid just has a separate layer for the CD bits. By Kimo January 22, 2012 in General Forum. Vinyl, ASL AQ-1005 DT vs. If you prefer extended frequency in the. SACD vs. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. I prefer digital (CD, SACD, DVD-A, BDA) but not into streaming - trying to collect the band's material on disc (especially the 70s/80s era stuff). Well, the NS500V has been burning in for about 60 hours now (the SACD demo disk on infinite repeat), so I figured I'd do a comparison to our aging. I don't know which is more truthful. With estimated sales of. Mirror Image, Sep 16, 2022. Tommyboy, May 30, 2020. Vinyl can sound utterly amazing at first but eventually you will wear out a record. Description. The band's incendiary…I agree to a point, but "everything matters" and adding an well built, linear power supply to my source made a subtle but very, very noticeable improvement as did cableing, power cables, isolation, etc. Shawn, Dec 8, 2012. SACD vs. The overall DR between the 2 is very close. I grew up in the analogue days (vinyl and tape) so tape hiss is to be expected on recordings. Sep 23, 2022. however you need to be extra careful as there are many SACDs where the MultiCh content is not only distinct in being a different mix but a different mastering from the Stereo and that Stereo version can often just be a recycling of the current CD remaster the label had at the. Should I buy the Deluxe edition for my Blu ray player that plays SACD or buy the Vinyl for an actual Vinyl player I would have to buy. Instrumental and vocal decay became more and more discernible and authentic. NorthNY Mark and Espen R like this. . On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more, go for the SACD. But the dramatic difference occurs in vinyl. My buddy and I compared Tidal's "Moving Pictures" to the vinyl reissue. The DVD Forum, headed by Toshiba, refused to pay patent royalties to Sony and Philips, and they launched a competing format: DVD-Audio, which couldn’t be played in a CD player. My guess is that if they wanted to tweak the SACD to match the sound of the final vinyl pressing, they probably could…. The ABCX-758A/B as mentioned above is my favorite. Tullman, Jul 31,. It's very difficult to set up a direct A/B comparison between SACD and CD. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. Vinyl vs SACD. Vinyl is an analog storage medium, which means there is a physical record of the music imprinted. vinyl, I'm surprised no one has brought up the concept of DSD's "euphoric distortion" and how that might relate to the perception of increased sound quality. 00. Dylan 'Desire' MFSL SACD and vinyl* Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jack White, Aug 2, 2013. The standard CD format is a 2-channel, 16-bit, 44. DVD-Audio/SACD vs Vinyl sound quality? Discussion in ' Music Corner ' started by Vinophile, May 22, 2006 . comparing your AV receiver's DAC to your CD player's DAC is completely valid. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. A digital recording doesn't degrade overtime like a record does when played too many times. As an example, I have Norah Jones - Come Away With Me SACD hybrid and vinyl, but later I found out the SACD version I have was mastered from redbook (wrongly done by Sony. . But the more I listen the more I enjoy music, tint and all. . I bought 2 each ten years ago or so. Data read from an SHM CD is no different to the data red from an ordinary CD. Also my opinion only. During the summer I don't get much seat time in front of the stereo so it might be a week or more before my next chance. 0:00 - LP2. culabula, May 3, 2020 #11. I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. Thread starter mosttoysrk; Start date Sep 25, 2007; Help Support MartinLogan Audio Owners Forum:. 1. deeper, wider sound field. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Whether is was done 15-20-30 years ago or today. 6%. The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. Mirror Image Forum Resident. This one is the best sounding by far. November 4th for CBAT. Home. In other words, it sounds like continuous noise on the tape which is mainly audible between the tracks, and MFSL decided not to fade it out. Vinyl does not always trounce digital. 7 gigabytes per disk (as much as a DVD), SACD can accommodate separate stereo and six-channel mixes of 100 minutes each. There are also the hybrid SACD discs from AP but I am not as familiar with those. 1447) Join Date Dec 2011 Location Tynemouth, England Posts 2,457 Mentioned 43 Post(s)SACD vs. Midrange is sweet. Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. . . Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist. If you like SACDs, the 2004 reissue of Relaxin’ by the Miles Davis Quintet sounds equally fantastic, albeit a little different with a brighter high end and more noticeable amounts of tape hiss. This album can sound really good. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. UPC: 093624979340: Availability:. #2. 98: Grateful Dead / Workingman's Dead Hybrid Stereo SACD Numbered Limited Edition CMOB 2137 SA Original Price: $29. I want the best sound. . Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. I find that SACD offers more detail and a deeper, wider soundstage and better instrument timbre over CD. If the SACD editions of The Police's albums were mastered from the original first-generation master tapes then they might sound better than the vinyl editions, as the original LPs were more than likely mastered from LP master tapes. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Wave 8 Primary equipment used: AKG K1000/ASL AQ-1005 DT/ASL Wave 8/Marantz SA8260 SACD player Stax Classic System II/Music Hall MMF-5 Turntable/Creek OBH-8 (This thread is multiple forum-spanning, I just chose. Weirdly, the reviewer concluded that Vinyl is superior to SACD/DVD-A. SACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. It is a high-resolution digital. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. . Whilst many (recent) multichannel SACDs are more about ambience, others are about using the system to provide an immersive sound (e. Well I have the MFSL vinyl of Desire, and reckon it's pretty darn good. It's a euphonic medium to me, at the end of the day. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by rpd, Dec 11, 2003. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. 4) Making Movies - muted, no drum slam, muted highs. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. ssmith3046, Nov 28, 2012 #4. The real difference between various releases is the quality of the mastering. The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. 5 gigabytes (GB) Advantages of SACD. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. Durability: SACDs are more durable and resistant to scratches compared to vinyl records. On the vinyl, the violin and the acoustic rhythm guitar lay back a bit, and there's a slightly rounded-off, woody tone to the drumming and the bass, and a very, very subtle tunneled, recessed quality to the vocals. What you're saying about DACs, i. November 4th for CBAT. It. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. label will be coming to hybrid stereo SACD (playable on all CD players) as well as to audiophile-standard UltraDisc One-Step 180-gram, 45 RPM vinyl. I don't know which is more truthful. Half-speed mastered at Abbey Road Studios and pressed on 180g audiophile vinyl. Direct Stream Digital (DSD) is a trademark used by Sony and Philips for their system for digitally encoding audio signals for the Super Audio CD (SACD). redbook vs. During that time, my analog front end has improved and the above-mentioned digital front end has remained the same. I have to say that after a couple of years of critical listening, I like SACD better. The difference becomes clearer and clearer the more I listen. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Litejazz53, Jul 13, 2019. I am intrigued by it but don't know if it would really give me any better quality for some recordings than what I already have. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. Inner ear, May 11, 2017 #5. DSD uses delta-sigma modulation a form of pulse-density modulation encoding, a technique to represent audio signals in digital format, a sequence of single-bit values at a sampling rate of 2. The dynamic range of vinyl is about 75dB, CD is 96dB, SACD is 120dB, and the human ear picks up 130dB. But I do own the original US CD and '93 remaster, along with the vinyl which is a skip-fest sadly. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Vinyl. One of the fun things about this hobby is screwing around. But when I compare the same piece issued both on SACD and vinyl (Channel Records, Pentatone), SACD carries the day by a whisker: a touch airier, a slightly truer tone and yes, an even better “flow” that facilitate following the musical argument. 1 kHz and 16 bits of information per sample. The thing that I found most interesting when reviewing the first-time LP record pressing of George Harrison’s 1992 live album — called simply Live In Japan — was not the high quality, dark black, perfectly. New posts Search forums. The SACD versions bring the best of the digital versions with the MOFI SACD followed by the 1999 SACD. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. Super Audio CD (SACD) is an optical disc format for audio storage introduced in 1999. Not that the SACD doesn't sound really good. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. SACD is not always better than some CD. In other words it needs some work to breath. Kevin Gray's work is superior, no matter the format. Analog sources- CD vs. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. . Many audiophiles choose to embrace both formats, recognizing that each. Sonos does not likely play DSD. (Not Eligible for Additional Discount) $35. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. Might as well jump: Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has announced that Van Halen's first six multi-platinum albums originally released on the Warner Bros. It's great for archiving, in it's day. ? How Much Do We Need To Spend To Hear High Quality CD/SACD or Vinyl Reproduction. Also, do you think SACD has good future in the massive market? I also posted this thread in the "digital" seecion, sorry about that but some people only enter to this section. If it's a hi-res source of unknown origin it will simply say "HR". Probably the highest quality classical recording I own. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. but for every song, the DR value is "one less" on the SACD vs CD. SACD, to me, just doesn't sound real, life-like, or true. CD. Sorry about my bad English. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. I like both; but am buying more hi-q vinyl than SACD, DVD-A, or HDCD simply because remastered 180g vinyl is easier to find in the genres I listen to: Rock, alt-rock, blues, some jazz, and oldies. Moody Blues "Question of bal. These have to be the quietest set of CDs to be mastered in the “modern era”. Hi all, Im searching for some way to test SACD compared to vinyl. Virtual. SACD (1999) uses completely different 1-Bit method of encoding so it is hard to extrapolate, but best guess, SACD is about. Well as I might have expected the SACD was the best. The Dark Side of the Moon produced two singles: "Money" and "Us and Them. Fred Dender and Grampire like this. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Pepper hit the charts. kevintomb Forum Resident. They are very. I'm a pretty big NIN fan, so price isn't a problem, I'm just wondering if the Vinyl player would be higher quality than the SACD Deluxe Version. vinyl superior to both? thats been conjectured. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I can see how people still prefer vinyl over any other digital format, but this is most likely more subjective (vinyl has a special sound which is nice, no doubt). I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. Madman Across the Water SACD vs CD vs LP. Then the sleeves and inner sleeves. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. At all. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. 8224 MHz (64 times that of CD) Bit Depth: 1-bit (compared to CD’s 16-bit) Channels: Multi-channel (up to 6) and stereo Storage Capacity: Typically 4. With respect to SACD vs. There are very few times I like the CD better than the LP. Steely Dan-Cant Buy A Thrill-Hybrid Stereo SACD|Acoustic Sounds. New posts Search forums. . We do plan on releasing a limited run of virgin vinyl 45rpm pressings—probably 500 pieces—sometime next month if we’re able. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. It’s a Japanese copy of Dire Straits first lp. SACD has a higher bit rate and uses a different encoding method from Vinyl to capture and reproduce more audio information. My sony bdps590 sacd output in lcpm to my AVR sounds different to my Cambridge audio dvd89 analogue out and foobar2000 lcpm out. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 3. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. This release was originally announced in late 2019 and fans have been waiting patiently ever since. Dec 10, 2005. all on Hybrid Multichannel SACD, in a special edition box set limited to 2,500 numbered copies! Also available as 45 RPM double LPs in a box set. The overall mastering job is superior on the Abkco releases and the detail is greater on both the SACD and vinyl reissuses. I will add this is one album I prefer listening to on CD (the MFSL release) or especially SACD vs vinyl so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Still waiting form "Brothers in Arms" on SACD I have also ordered the MoFi vinyl releases of: "Love Over Gold", "Dire Straits" and "Brothers in Arms" I look forward to comparing SACD vs Vinyl *reelspin* My thought process is I should buy them while they are relatively new and prices have not reached $200+ each yet. ”. Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. A masterpiece SACD set. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon.